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即叫即整,大約有十種包款。可挑不同種類的面包。也可揀要不要加熱、以及配料!地點係天橋下,近天星小輪的位置,小小的一間。黑色格調,都幾型!食過兩三款,今次試上的是煙肉,揀咗個軟包。醬汁都可以自己揀。有三款口味。我有選揀加熱。就算加熱了,菜還是很新鮮!~ 很美味!
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即叫即整,大約有十種包款。
可挑不同種類的面包。

也可揀要不要加熱、以及配料!
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地點係天橋下,近天星小輪的位置,小小的一間。黑色格調,都幾型!
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食過兩三款,今次試上的是煙肉,揀咗個軟包。
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醬汁都可以自己揀。有三款口味。
我有選揀加熱。就算加熱了,菜還是很新鮮!~ 很美味!
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I'm obsessed with turkey sandwiches, and it's a real shame they're so hard to find in HK (I guess I'd never thought about the fact that turkeys are American birds and less popular outside America). I'm also just obsessed with sandwiches in general, so I had to give Kaiser's a go (plus, taking the ferry is fun).I ordered the turkey delight. Bread: Many of the pictures in the other reviews have poppy seed Kaiser rolls, but I distinctly remember them not having any when I went there. There were fou
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I'm obsessed with turkey sandwiches, and it's a real shame they're so hard to find in HK (I guess I'd never thought about the fact that turkeys are American birds and less popular outside America). I'm also just obsessed with sandwiches in general, so I had to give Kaiser's a go (plus, taking the ferry is fun).

I ordered the turkey delight.

Bread: Many of the pictures in the other reviews have poppy seed Kaiser rolls, but I distinctly remember them not having any when I went there. There were four roll options, but some of them didn't appeal to me (onion bun), and I went with whole wheat. I'd probably have got the poppy seed roll, if they had had it. The roll was very big and bready. It didn't overpower the sandwich, but it was a dominating force. Reasonably tasty and not dry, but nothing speacial. 6/10

Cheese: The turkey delight doesn't come with cheese. I didn't realize this until after I'd ordered it. Maybe you can ask for cheese, but they didn't ask me if I wanted any. Disappointing. 0/10

Turkey: Better than the stuff at Subway, but they didn't give you very much. 7/10

Veggies: I got lettuce, tomatoes, onions, and pickles. The pickles were pretty good. Not amazing. 7/10

Final sandwich score: 6/10

The big question here is obviously whether you should go here, or go to Subway, which is literally just upstairs. Personally, I think Subway is better: better bread, cheese as an option, better vegetable selection (jalapenos!), and more veggies. Of course, I know sandwich snobs who won't touch Subway, and some people who think their bread is terrible. Kaiser's is a decent alternative, but not worth going out of your way for.
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One day I decided to make a twist and took the ferry to cross the harbor, and to grab some quick lunch before catching the ferry. Kaiser's Deli is on the lower deck so it's not hard to recognize. Little Meg in the 1st review has already given a good account on Kaiser rolls so I'm not gonna repeat here. The menu is not extensive but encompasses a good range of fillings from meat to fish to veggies. Every weekday there's a kind of sandwich on special offer sold at some 20+ dollars, but that partic
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One day I decided to make a twist and took the ferry to cross the harbor, and to grab some quick lunch before catching the ferry. Kaiser's Deli is on the lower deck so it's not hard to recognize.

Little Meg in the 1st review has already given a good account on Kaiser rolls so I'm not gonna repeat here. The menu is not extensive but encompasses a good range of fillings from meat to fish to veggies. Every weekday there's a kind of sandwich on special offer sold at some 20+ dollars, but that particular sandwich on the day I visited didn't appeal to me to much, so instead I picked a Smoked Salmon Kaiser Roll ($45) on a Poppyseed Kaiser Roll.

Kaiser's Deli is a takeout shop, and you can see the every step of your sandwich being made through the glass storefront. You need some patience as your bun is being toasted, fillings put in and dressings added on. It's then nicely tucked inside a brown bag and you can't wait to take it up to the pier to enjoy it!

As for my Kaiser roll, it looked quite substantial. The fillings included smoked salmon, capers and guacamole [a avocado-based dip originating from Mexico]. The dressing I chose was Honey & Mustard (many of the reviewers made this choice too) but anyway I picked it from experience at the time, and in fact it matched quite well with the salmon and the rest of the fillings. Like most other sandwich shops you can pick your own veggie fillings, and I stuck to my "a bit of everything" doctrine, and included my favorite olives. In general the sandwich was tasty, but I would have liked it better if the Kaiser roll had been crispier by toasting and not microwaving.

A good pick if you're around to take the ferry, if you don't mind paying IFC prices!
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祝君早安 lol
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Bursting with fillings but dressing quite messy
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11-2-2010是日胃口不大, 只想搵個靜靜哋的地方食個簡餐抖抖氣, 嚟到天星碼頭睇睇. 下層一間 burger 一間呢度, 就試試呢度的 sandwich.是日無 roast beef, 想食的 Americana 無得叫, 揀了第二選擇 smoked salmon (好似 $45), 配 honey mustard 及芝士包... 即叫即「砌」, 材料除了 smoked salmon, 仲有生菜, 蕃茄, 青瓜, 洋蔥, guacamole 及 pickled capers (?), 夠晒豐富. 芝士包經微波爐「洗禮」後, 變得暖烘烘, 質地就係軟撻撻的, 芝味又一般香, 唔太喜歡; smoked salmon (來貨?) 唔多 "smoked", 不過配上微辛辣又帶點甜的洋蔥, 都幾好食; honey mustard 就唔多 honey, 不過幾香 mustard 味, 少少辣, 加埋夠新鮮的 veggies, 味道都 ok 啦.朋友 J 買了 sandwich of the day ($22), 即 Italian grilled veggie sandwich, 配 m
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是日胃口不大, 只想搵個靜靜哋的地方食個簡餐抖抖氣, 嚟到天星碼頭睇睇. 下層一間 burger 一間呢度, 就試試呢度的 sandwich.

是日無 roast beef, 想食的 Americana 無得叫, 揀了第二選擇 smoked salmon (好似 $45), 配 honey mustard 及芝士包... 即叫即「砌」, 材料除了 smoked salmon, 仲有生菜, 蕃茄, 青瓜, 洋蔥, guacamole 及 pickled capers (?), 夠晒豐富. 芝士包經微波爐「洗禮」後, 變得暖烘烘, 質地就係軟撻撻的, 芝味又一般香, 唔太喜歡; smoked salmon (來貨?) 唔多 "smoked", 不過配上微辛辣又帶點甜的洋蔥, 都幾好食; honey mustard 就唔多 honey, 不過幾香 mustard 味, 少少辣, 加埋夠新鮮的 veggies, 味道都 ok 啦.

朋友 J 買了 sandwich of the day ($22), 即 Italian grilled veggie sandwich, 配 mayonnaise 及芝士包... 由於呢個係大家「發雞盲」的錯誤選擇, 朋友 J 搞到要將餡料「全走」
, 我亦無試, 無得評了...

30 幾 / 40 幾蚊一個包, 話平唔平話貴唔貴, 不過簡簡單單都可以一試的. 希望下次嚟有得食 roast beef 吧.
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幫襯過呢到幾次了鐘意買左之後, 再去星巴克買咖啡, 坐係海傍食, 感覺好舒服呢佢有幾款包揀, 試過芝士包, poppy seed同whole wheat芝士都幾好食, 但食多幾啖就有d膩了佢d麵包都幾軟熟, 好食! 仲會幫你搽牛油加熱架~我地次次都係叫americana同club sandwichamericana就係薄燒牛肉加melted cheese牛肉半生熟, 芝士鹹鹹地, 配埋一齊食都幾正架另外可再加生菜, 蕃茄 等配料再揀醬汁, 我多數揀沙律醬, 可再加芥末架!club sandwich就係雞肉, 火腿, 煙肉 加melted cheese都幾足料架! 係我既favorite, 哈哈加埋生菜同沙律醬就正啦
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幫襯過呢到幾次了
鐘意買左之後, 再去星巴克買咖啡, 坐係海傍食, 感覺好舒服呢

佢有幾款包揀, 試過芝士包, poppy seed同whole wheat
芝士都幾好食, 但食多幾啖就有d膩了
佢d麵包都幾軟熟, 好食! 仲會幫你搽牛油加熱架~

我地次次都係叫americana同club sandwich
americana就係薄燒牛肉加melted cheese
牛肉半生熟, 芝士鹹鹹地, 配埋一齊食都幾正架
另外可再加生菜, 蕃茄 等配料
再揀醬汁, 我多數揀沙律醬, 可再加芥末架!
club sandwich就係雞肉, 火腿, 煙肉 加melted cheese
都幾足料架! 係我既favorite, 哈哈
加埋生菜同沙律醬就正啦
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之前我有個食評講過因為返工需要..所以經過sxbwxy而去試佢!今次呢個食評其實就係第二日..上船之前我去左下面另一間叫(Kaiser's Deli )既店鋪諗住試埋佢d野..落單果個男仔好彩係香港人...所以今次唔需要好似上次雞同鴨講咁!呢度每日都會有唔同既包做優惠..咁岩佢果日係做緊果款唔係咁岩我口味~所以我就order芒果雞沙津三明治..我唔食牛油..不過個男仔冇問我要唔要就搽左落去~我即刻話我唔要牛油得唔得..見佢好"減介"咁..算啦!都係唔難為佢啦..麵包見住個人有拎去整熱..但到我食果陣一d熱都冇~而且都幾硬同平! 冇芝士味...再食落去...個芒果雞沙津好一般..同ok/7仔買果d三文治既"咸"差唔多~不過佢個包因為硬硬地~所以加埋晒黎睇既話..ok/7仔仲會好食d!而且單買$35一d都唔平..下次要我揀..唔識英文我都會食返sxbway...
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之前我有個食評講過因為返工需要..所以經過sxbwxy而去試佢!
今次呢個食評其實就係第二日..
上船之前我去左下面另一間叫(Kaiser's Deli )既店鋪諗住試埋佢d野..

落單果個男仔好彩係香港人...所以今次唔需要好似上次雞同鴨講咁!
呢度每日都會有唔同既包做優惠..咁岩佢果日係做緊果款唔係咁岩我口味~
所以我就order芒果雞沙津三明治..
我唔食牛油..不過個男仔冇問我要唔要就搽左落去~
我即刻話我唔要牛油得唔得..見佢好"減介"咁..算啦!都係唔難為佢啦..
麵包見住個人有拎去整熱..但到我食果陣一d熱都冇~而且都幾硬同平! 冇芝士味...
再食落去...個芒果雞沙津好一般..同ok/7仔買果d三文治既"咸"差唔多~
不過佢個包因為硬硬地~所以加埋晒黎睇既話..ok/7仔仲會好食d!
而且單買$35一d都唔平..下次要我揀..唔識英文我都會食返sxbway...
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六月十四‧晴 忙得什麼也不想吃,看過小Meg的食評,這裡看來也不錯,不如來吃件三文治吧。 這裡有每日精選,但是日的看來不吸引,就另外要了一件意式三文治,餐牌上說有熟肉腸及莎樂美腸等等的。包也有幾款選擇,就要了罌粟籽芝士包。 拿了回公司吃,先說麵包,甜甜的,罌粟籽幾香口,芝士也有點鹹香味道,是好吃的。餡味道不錯,醬汁也酸甜合度,兩款腸有兩款味道,夾上麵包,好吃的。 不過索價35蚊,連飲品及沙律要50了,不便宜。
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六月十四‧晴

忙得什麼也不想吃,看過小Meg的食評,這裡看來也不錯,不如來吃件三文治吧。

這裡有每日精選,但是日的看來不吸引,就另外要了一件意式三文治,餐牌上說有熟肉腸及莎樂美腸等等的。包也有幾款選擇,就要了罌粟籽芝士包。

拿了回公司吃,先說麵包,甜甜的,罌粟籽幾香口,芝士也有點鹹香味道,是好吃的。餡味道不錯,醬汁也酸甜合度,兩款腸有兩款味道,夾上麵包,好吃的。

不過索價35蚊,連飲品及沙律要50了,不便宜。
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碼頭上的Kaiser,s Deli,總是聯想起Kaiser Chiefs.他們不會大叫Ruby Ruby Ruby,只會做美式三文治.多款即製三文治,麵包也有好幾款選.揀定麵包,內容,醬汁,店員會即刻為你製造.外籍女店員,聽著Hip Hop音樂弄三文治,隨拍子起舞.令到三文治多了一份音樂感,生命力.Americana,是燒牛肉加melted cheese的配搭.娶妻最怕娶著豆皮婆,吃麵包沒有這個禁忌.於是便要了Poppy seed.帶點溶的芝士.在燒牛肉的上面,燒牛肉切成薄片,本身平平無奇,牛肉味不夠明顯.好像吃著火雞的無味.但芝士同牛肉,兩者走在一起,似乎又很合拍.番茄生菜美化了內涵,加上甜美的蛋黃醬,蜜糖芥辣.是不錯的三文治組合.曾經看過Discovery Channel飲食節目.說到去老遠美國的匹玆堡,除了足球隊匹茲堡鋼鐵之外.此城市的燒牛肉三文治,更是馳名.如果能夠在香港吃到匹玆堡風味.心想,也不錯.
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碼頭上的Kaiser,s Deli,總是聯想起Kaiser Chiefs.
他們不會大叫Ruby Ruby Ruby,只會做美式三文治.

多款即製三文治,麵包也有好幾款選.
揀定麵包,內容,醬汁,店員會即刻為你製造.
外籍女店員,聽著Hip Hop音樂弄三文治,隨拍子起舞.
令到三文治多了一份音樂感,生命力.

Americana,是燒牛肉加melted cheese的配搭.
娶妻最怕娶著豆皮婆,吃麵包沒有這個禁忌.
於是便要了Poppy seed.

帶點溶的芝士.在燒牛肉的上面,燒牛肉切成薄片,
本身平平無奇,牛肉味不夠明顯.好像吃著火雞的無味.
但芝士同牛肉,兩者走在一起,似乎又很合拍.
番茄生菜美化了內涵,加上甜美的蛋黃醬,蜜糖芥辣.
是不錯的三文治組合.

曾經看過Discovery Channel飲食節目.
說到去老遠美國的匹玆堡,
除了足球隊匹茲堡鋼鐵之外.
此城市的燒牛肉三文治,更是馳名.
如果能夠在香港吃到匹玆堡風味.心想,也不錯.
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oct 03, 09,睇完戲,好肚餓,買咗 : 1) smoke salmon (hk$45)-有幾款包可以揀,例如poppy seed, whole wheat, cheese等,我就揀咗whole wheat-個dressing有4款,我貪心地要咗honey mustard同mayonnaise-配料也挺多,有煙3文魚,生菜絲,紫洋蔥,青瓜片,番茄片,capers同guacamole(即牛油果醬)-個包無整熱到-醬很多,包括mayonnaise同牛油果醬,咬下去就好易"git"晒出嚟.........好在有雙層牛油紙包住,否則都會穿呢-略嫌青瓜片,番茄片同紫洋蔥切得太薄-3文魚得1片,肉質腍了點,有咁多配料下,分薄咗3文魚嘅味道
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oct 03, 09,睇完戲,好肚餓,買咗 :

1) smoke salmon (hk$45)
-有幾款包可以揀,例如poppy seed, whole wheat, cheese等,我就揀咗whole wheat
-個dressing有4款,我貪心地要咗honey mustard同mayonnaise
-配料也挺多,有煙3文魚,生菜絲,紫洋蔥,青瓜片,番茄片,capers同guacamole(即牛油果醬)
-個包無整熱到
-醬很多,包括mayonnaise同牛油果醬,咬下去就好易"git"晒出嚟.........好在有雙層牛油紙包住,否則都會穿呢
-略嫌青瓜片,番茄片同紫洋蔥切得太薄
-3文魚得1片,肉質腍了點,有咁多配料下,分薄咗3文魚嘅味道
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Had Subway too many times so I decided to go to Kaiser which is just below...Today's sandwich of the day is Club Sandwich @ $22 ... compare to Subway's sub of the day which is roasted chicken @ $19 ... so the price is almost the sameAlthough the price is slightly higher than Subway... the size is way smaller... not sure why the other comment below can choose the long sandwich for sadnwich of the day, however they only allow me to choose the round one.... The vege selection is way less than Subwa
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Had Subway too many times so I decided to go to Kaiser which is just below...
Today's sandwich of the day is Club Sandwich @ $22 ... compare to Subway's sub of the day which is roasted chicken @ $19 ... so the price is almost the same

Although the price is slightly higher than Subway... the size is way smaller... not sure why the other comment below can choose the long sandwich for sadnwich of the day, however they only allow me to choose the round one....

The vege selection is way less than Subway (only lettuce, tomato, cucumber, and onion)
and the amount they put on the bun is way less too ...

Moreover, the bun is hard! (probably because they have heated it up... but then Subway's sub is never hard after heated, it should turn soft...)


the overall taste is ok... however I don't think I will come again ... I prefer Subway...

btw... I always don't understand why a sandwich store in HK doesn't have any staff who can speak Cantonese (which is the same case in Subway)
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13/8(四) 12:30pm到Burger Box落單後,稍移玉步到對面的Kaiser's Deli,於一送一的優惠下, 要了Smoked Salmon及Club sandwich $42.供應若干款Kaiser及漢堡,要了poppy seed及芝士碎;兩者體積輕巧,麵包微硬帶勁蜜糖芥末醬跟煙三文魚,洋蔥絲,蕃茄,生菜及青瓜挺搭調的;Club的煙肉,雞肉跟味似ranch的醬汁也不能小覷,偶而來之,未嘗不可...
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到Burger Box落單後,稍移玉步到對面的Kaiser's Deli,於一送一的優惠下, 要了Smoked Salmon及Club sandwich $42.供應若干款Kaiser及漢堡,要了poppy seed及芝士碎;兩者體積輕巧,麵包微硬帶勁蜜糖芥末醬跟煙三文魚,洋蔥絲,蕃茄,生菜及青瓜挺搭調的;Club的煙肉,雞肉跟味似ranch的醬汁也不能小覷,偶而來之,未嘗不可...
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When I walked past Kaiser’s Deli with my brother, it immediately brought back memories of my many lunches consisted of sandwiches at corner deli shops in Manhattan. I couldn’t help but to grab him with me for a peek, then further persuaded him for a try. The menu features mostly familiar American choices such as Americana (roast beef with melted cheese, $42), Italian (Salami, Mortadella, and Gammon Ham, $35), Tuna Melt (tuna salad with Swiss cheese, $38), or Turkey Delight (smoked turkey, $35
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When I walked past Kaiser’s Deli with my brother, it immediately brought back memories of my many lunches consisted of sandwiches at corner deli shops in Manhattan. I couldn’t help but to grab him with me for a peek, then further persuaded him for a try.
The menu features mostly familiar American choices such as Americana (roast beef with melted cheese, $42), Italian (Salami, Mortadella, and Gammon Ham, $35), Tuna Melt (tuna salad with Swiss cheese, $38), or Turkey Delight (smoked turkey, $35). Others have some Asian twists, such as the Chicken Mango, and there are two vegetarian options, namely Italian Veggies (assorted grilled vegetables, $35) and Rocket Feta (rocket leaves and feta cheese, $38)). Once you have decided what types of sandwich meat you want, you can move on to the kaiser roll.
Kaiser rolls are very common in Manhattan delis, but they don’t seem to be popular in Hong Kong. In general, kaiser roll has a slightly crusty exterior with toppings like poppy seeds roasted onion bits, or cheese. The texture is a little dryer and coarser than our normal Asian rolls, but it acts as a great absorbent for soaking up the juice of the deli meat without getting too soggy like white Pullman bread. Achieving the right texture of kaiser roll is relatively easy when compared to other breads like baguettes or bagels of which Hong Kong stores just can’t seem to master. At Kaiser’s Deli, 3 types of homemade kaiser rolls are available: Poppy Seeds, Whole Wheat, and Seed and Cheese, all of which come in long shape or round shape.
I am never interested in any chicken strips in delis as they are almost always dry white chicken breast meat, so I opted for Smoke Salmon with capers and guacamole ($45) on a poppy seed kaiser roll. While capers and smoked salmon are best friends forever, this combination is definitely not typical for smoked salmon sandwich in New York, as guacamole and smoked salmon rarely appear together. The selection of condiments is almost as extensive as in Manhattan’s delis, with the presence of shredded lettuce, tomato slices, cucumber slices, red onion juliennes, pickles, etc. I picked the classic lox sandwich’s companions: red onion and cucumber slices. With the final touch of mayonnaise (optional, with Dijon mustard and pesto mayo also available), my sandwich is done and wrapped in paper.
Since the store is new, there is a promotion with “Sandwich of the day” priced at $22. Today is Roast Beef Sandwich ($22 on Tuesdays) which became my brother’s choice. I was excited to see that the roast beef was rosy and sliced ultra-thin as it should be, but we didn’t anticipate that the sandwich was popped into the microwave for melting the yellow American cheese. When it came out, the meat was obviously not as rare as before, but we left it that way and picked the condiments to finish it off.
Kaiser's Deli is mainly a takeout store with no tables, but we grabbed a table at the adjacent Burger Box (also owned by the same group) and shared our sandwiches. My salmon sandwich was surprisingly good, with all the ingredients incredibly fresh - the smoked salmon was moist and luscious, and the cucumbers and red onion tasted very clean without any brown spots. The kaiser roll was also quite fine, and with my favorite poppy seeds it was definitely the right choice for me. The “guacamole” couldn’t be qualified as true guacamole as it lacked the limey and onion-y flavor, but considered it an avocado sauce it actually matched well with the smoked salmon. The tartness of the crunchy capers gave a great foil to the rich sandwich. It was overall a very tasty sandwich.
My brother’s roast beef sandwich was also quite scrumptious. Although the shaved roast beef was heated, it still came out delicious and not dry or tough at all. I could only imagine the beef to be even more flavorful and soft when served cold. Unfortunately the kaiser roll which was delicious on its own became chewy after the microwave treatment, and it would have been much better if the sandwich was heated in a toaster oven to achieve a crusty top. So lesson learnt: next time we will skip the cheese and have the roast beef as is without heating. The sizes of the sandwiches were quite hefty and we were fully stuffed when done.
Making a sandwich isn’t rocket science, and with fresh bread and ingredients you have 80% of the battle won. However, it is frustrating that so many restaurants or stores fail to make a good sandwich because they either skimp on the fillings or use low quality ingredients like lettuces with brown edges, dried out cucumbers, or ham made with “stuff” to scary to know. I am happy that Kaiser’s Deli is able to offer quality ingredients at a very reasonable price. I much prefer this deli fast food than the junk food at Subway nearby even the price is lower. I hope that Kaiser’s Deli can keep up with the freshness of the ingredients and the portion size, as we know too often that in Hong Kong, food quality drops significantly when a new store is no longer new…

Menu and Sandwich of The Day Promotion
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Counter with various deli meat and condiments
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Creating my smoked salmon sandwich
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Medium rare roast beef almost ruined by microwave
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My Smoked Salmon on Poppy Seed Kaiser Roll
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My bro's Roast Beef Sandwich on Cheese Kaiser Roll
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Roast beef was tasty and shaved ultra thin
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Menu and Sandwich of The Day Promotion
Counter with various deli meat and condiments
Creating my smoked salmon sandwich
My Smoked Salmon on Poppy Seed Kaiser Roll
My bro's Roast Beef Sandwich on Cheese Kaiser Roll
Roast beef was tasty and shaved ultra thin
  • Smoked Salmon Sandwich
  • Roast Beef Sandwich (no heating please!)